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C.Cardenasii, C.eximium, Rocopica

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Pr0digal_son

I don't know, unfortunately.

I don't know, unfortunately.

The fruit from my plants seem much smaller than what is in the database. I am curious to see the results of other members.

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Rapace

My berries on Rocopica 1 are smaller as well..... first one just ripen..... size of a small pea.

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I'm also trying to obtain fruits on true C.cardenasii (original plant) by self-pollination, to verify if it's possibile to produce pure seeds of this species (which is considered self-incompatible in literature).

 

Did you succeed in self-pollination on C.Cardenasii ?

According to literature - well... let's say what i read - self-pollination is not possible (it seems possible to obtain pure C.Cardenasii using pollen from a different plant).

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Lonewolf

No, every attempt failed :(

Also, it was not possible to obtain cuttings from my plant; C.cardenasii is the only species which I was not able to replicate by cuttings.

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Pr0digal_son

If there is a better section for this post,I encourage admins to do so. Point of interest is 1:10 -2:00.

 

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Pr0digal_son

I was unable to modify my original post. :no:

 

 

It's interesting to see the variation in C.cardenasii in the video. I notice two specific C.eximium that have different morphological features,and atleast as many with C.cardenasii. There are many interspecific hybrids,but I see no intermediate traits in the cardenasii that are being posted now. Seeing a darker corolla shouldn't give a knee jerk reaction. We see corolla color being affected by climate and mineral parameters. I have been trying to do my part contacting botanists with photos and questions,but with not much success. I still think we need Lonewolf in La PAz with his Nikon. :twitch:

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If there is a better section for this post,I encourage admins to do so. Point of interest is 1:10 -2:00.

 

 

Great!

I'll try to understand all the text (not easy)

 

Thanks for sharing!

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Great!

I'll try to understand all the text (not easy)

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

 

If you have questions ask me. I will try to make it easier to undestand.

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Rapace

Let's come back to "Rocopica" topic.

 

First of all let's note that during the years we can find "around" more and more "Rocopicas" and situation is coming more and more confusing.

 

Let's try to clarify something.

 

A - What is "Rocopica" ?

 

For me... (please someone will correct me if I'm wrong) it's the result of one of this cross:

 

C.cardenasii x C.pubescens

- C.eximium x C.pubescens

- C.pubescens x C.cardenasii

- C.pubescens x C.eximium

 

Or any combination of multiple cross including C.pubescens and 1 or more Purple-Clad wild peppers.

examples:

C.pubescens x C.eximium x C.cardenasii 

C.eximium x C.cardenasii x C.pubescens

etc.etc

 

Being C.eximium and C.cardenasii locally referred as "Ulupica", often Rocopica is synthetized as Ulupica x C.pubescens (or viceversa).

 

B - "Rocopica" is easily said

 

Usually, for many Rocopica cultivar we have few or no information about the "parents".

It's also difficult to know which is the original wild part of the cross (C.eximium ? C.cardenasii ? or what ?).

 

The result is that there are many different types of "Rocopica"and we are often referring with the same name to plants which has a wide range of differences.

 

Moreover.... is Rocopica "Stable" ?

Probably the answer is "it depends"..... but (being an hybrid) probably most of the cultivars are NOT stable.

Consequence is ..... more different features among Rocopica plants

 

We should indicate not only the specie, but also the varieties used in the cross and the F-generation of the cross too. Or ... to make an effort to track them for the future (I guess more crosses will jump out in next times :) ).

 

C - Types of Rocopicas we can find "around"

 

- Rocopica "original" PF (Pepperfriends, cultivated by Lonewolf originally, if I understood correctly selected by Mario Dadomo).

  Cross between Ulupica and C.pubescens - but we don't know which specie of Ulupica, nor the varieties of both mother and father 

  Please Claudio correct this if I wrote something not correct

 

- Ulupica Large 

 

- Rocopica Huge (synonimous of Ulupica Large ?)

 

- Son's of the Rocopica "original" (i.e. Rocopica Dark Striped). "Random" next generation of Rocopica "original" PF ... open pollinated, with different features (unstable usually).

 

....... Chaos is increasing :)

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2 hours ago, Rapace said:

- Rocopica "original" PF (Pepperfriends, cultivated by Lonewolf originally, if I understood correctly selected by Mario Dadomo).

  Cross between Ulupica and C.pubescens - but we don't know which specie of Ulupica, nor the varieties of both mother and father 

  Please Claudio correct this if I wrote something not correct

 

My original Rocopica was a plant gifted me by Mario Dadomo in 2006.

He got that plant by cuttings.

I don't know where he took the original plant or seeds, perhaps from some keen on Capsicum in North Europe (Matts Petersson?); however, he thought that plant was C.cardenasii.

 

During many years I produced many seeds by open pollination (with various C.eximium and/or C.pubescens and perhaps CGN C.cardenasii.

I produced also seeds by self pollination (many seeds in 2017, just before to cut the original plant).

 

Probably more answer on this topic could be found if and when we'll be able to find some Rocopica in the wild.

I knew of "small wild rocotos", probably Rocopica, in the Apa Apa Reserve (Bolivia) and about the presence of the enigmatic C.pubescens ssp. arachnoideum in the Mataral and Vallegrande area (Bolivia), perhaps a kind of Rocopica.

 

Another way to know more is to cross known varieties of C.pubescens/C.eximium/C.cardenasii and see what will happen ...

 

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Rapace

I add here this "quote" of an Oban's post in another topic because I think this is contributing to this topic

 

  On 6/5/2018 at 11:14 AM, Rapace said:

Vorrei capire meglio cosa sono l' Ulupica XL F3  e l' Ulupica XL Not...... (non hanno a che fare con l' Ulupica Large / Rocopica Huge ? o con gli incroci con il cardenasii USDA che coltiva Ninuzz69 ?). 

Certo che ha a che fare con l'Ulupica Large, che anche se ha caratteristiche del tutto simili al Rocopica Huge coltivato da ProdJohn, non lo definirei un sinonimo ma semplicemente uno dei tanti incroci interspecifici che possono generare le tre specie compatibili: C.cardenasii, C.eximium e C.pubescens (senza dimenticare il Rocopica stesso e gli altri ibridi interspecifici, a tutti gli effetti compatibili con queste 3 specie).

 

Per fare chiarezza sull'Ulupica Large c'è da rimettere mano al traduttore Finlandese-Italiano, ma è un' opera ardua perchè funziona davvero male e sopratutto al tempo, almeno 10 anni fa, c'era ancora parecchia confusione sulla Purple Corolla Clade, mi ero promesso di risponderti con calma in C.Cardenasii, C.eximium, Rocopica, ma tu incalzi (per fortuna!).

Ad ogni modo su questo forum russo ci sono 2 vecchie immagini di semillas, quando lo aveva in listino, come puoi vedere non ha nulla a che fare con il fiore campanulato viola boliviano (il C.cardenasii, comunemente chiamato Ulupica in Bolivia)

 

L'Ulupica XL è un cross tra Orange Rocoto e Ulupica Large, i pochi semi che avevo a disposizione vengono proprio da un mostro sacro della coltivazione, IL finlandese, tramite un altro appassionato che non frequenta più il forum. 

Ad ogni modo non era nemmeno un suo cross, ma era etichettato come F3 e per ora la mia pianta è simile alle immagini che ho visto pubblicate in rete, anche il fiore. I frutti dovrebbero essere intorno a 2 o 3 cm di diametro (1 inch).

 

L'Ulupica XL (PI 573336) invece sono semi acquistati da me e Toolshed in Settembre, da un sito inglese, l'ultima bustina di semi disponibile tra l'altro, Dario i suoi non li ha ancora seminati ma sono grandi, poco irregolari e neri, del tutto simili a quelli di Rocoto.

Nella descrizione c'è scritto solamente Ulupica XL ma nell'url viene riportata la sigla PI 573336, erroneamente a mio avviso visto che il numero di accessione PI 573336  corrisponde al C.cardenasii, che non ha nulla a che fare con la pianta che sto coltivando, a partire dalla dimensione e dal colore dei semi (altro argomento da approfondire meglio, se vuoi ci torniamo nel thread sopracitato perchè a mio avviso ci dà alcuni elementi utili per capire questi incroci interspecifici).

 

Ah, la scorsa settimana sono arrivati anche i semi miei, tuoi e di Dario di Ulupica Giant, come puoi vedere anche questi semi sono grandi, neri e abbastanza regolari, insomma, non hanno nulla a che fare con gli Ulupicas, ovvero le due specie wild boliviane, C.Cardenasii e C.eximium, che invece hanno semi piccoli e di color giallo paglierino.

Se vuoi ti spedisco i tuoi, io li semino direttamente l'anno prossimo.

Peperoncini 2018 - 0487.jpg

 

 

Che poi in Bolivia c'è chi indica questi ibridi interspecifici con Ulupica Grande

 

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